gwern comments on Cheat codes - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 06 December 2010 04:44:18AM 12 points [-]

I forget, what's our term for 'counter-arguments which are bogus and not actually why a person disbelieves what they disbelieve'? I'm sure we have one.

Anyway, this is a classic example. First, her argument is internally weak. What, the physical conditioning will be of little benefit? The hand strikes will simply not be useful? The reflexes cease to operate when she is in her mufti? The skirt reduces any footwork (not even talking about kicks here) to utter uselessness? And so on. Risible.

Second, not to insult your friend, but either she knows very little about martial arts or she hasn't asked anyone who does have a modicum. There are plenty of martial arts which have uniforms functionally identical to skirts. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakama#Men.27s_hakama :

"Hakama are also regularly worn by practitioners of a variety of martial arts, such as karate, kendo, iaido, taido, aikido, ryu-te, and kyūdō."

(That's two empty-handed arts right there, which are both quite popular and common in the US.)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 December 2010 04:53:55AM 8 points [-]

what's our term for 'counter-arguments which are bogus and not actually why a person disbelieves what they disbelieve'?

I suspect you are thinking of true rejection.

Comment author: Alicorn 06 December 2010 12:52:35PM 2 points [-]

First, her argument is internally weak. What, the physical conditioning will be of little benefit? The hand strikes will simply not be useful? The reflexes cease to operate when she is in her mufti? The skirt reduces any footwork (not even talking about kicks here) to utter uselessness?

Well, I think it has something to do with the fact that she wouldn't wish to stop wearing skirts during practice either. I don't know if hakama "count" in her book.

Comment author: gwern 06 December 2010 06:03:57PM 3 points [-]

That's... very strange. Sounds almost autistic, actually, in the refusal to wear something other than skirts. (Doubly so if hakama don't 'count'.)

Comment author: Alicorn 06 December 2010 07:49:09PM 5 points [-]

I asked her about hakama. She had thought that they all had divided legs, but seems willing to accept an undivided hakama as a sufficiently skirtlike item.