waitingforgodel comments on Rationality Quotes: December 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: waitingforgodel 03 December 2010 10:09:10AM *  1 point [-]

Asked by Galileo to look through his telescope at the newly discovered four moons of Jupiter, a representative of the pope answered: "I refuse to look at something which my religion tells me cannot exist." -- newscientist

Comment author: gjm 03 December 2010 02:22:05PM 13 points [-]

I think this quotation actually comes not from a real papal representative but from Brecht's play "Galileo".

(Isn't it obvious that this isn't the sort of thing a real person would be likely to say? Especially not the sort of person who would be sent to Galileo by the Pope.)

Comment author: RobinZ 03 December 2010 02:36:07PM 10 points [-]

(Isn't it obvious that this isn't the sort of thing a real person would be likely to say? Especially not the sort of person who would be sent to Galileo by the Pope.)

Shhh! That quote is a soldier for Our Side, don't break it! ;)

Comment author: MartinB 04 December 2010 03:12:51AM 1 point [-]

Now should I upvote for the great use of irony, or down for abuses of logic? My joke detector is broken.

Comment author: Alicorn 04 December 2010 03:20:10AM *  13 points [-]

The smiley is there as the equivalent of Braille for the joke-blind.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 December 2010 02:58:25PM *  5 points [-]

Isn't it obvious that this isn't the sort of thing a real person would be likely to say?

No. I've heard similar. (Although it actually felt uncomfortable to give that answer given that it could be seen as not-not supporting a co-aligned solider that we had decided to burn!)

Comment author: MartinB 04 December 2010 03:11:49AM 0 points [-]

decided to burn

There is some doubt over the treatment Galileo actually got, and what for.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 05 December 2010 03:09:35AM *  1 point [-]

I think wedrifid meant that e would being seen as supporting a false but favorable quote that everyone else was decrying for being false. [Edited for spelling]

Comment author: wedrifid 05 December 2010 04:31:38AM 0 points [-]

Yes, complete with television show spy talk lingo to extend the analogy.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 03 December 2010 01:54:58PM 10 points [-]

The quote isn't accurate. There was argument over what was being seen through the telescope, not about whether to look through it. Details from a guy who wrote a book on Galileo here.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 03 December 2010 05:50:52PM *  5 points [-]

Some of Galileo's critics argued that at least some of his observations were artifacts of the instrument he was using (the telescope) and even cited experimental evidence in their critiques (such as looking at objects that could be seen with the naked eye as well as through the telescope and observing anomalies like duplication or "halos" through the latter). This is simply standard scientific criticism, not religious nay saying. So, even if the quote is accurate it wasn't necessarily representative of his critics.

The Jesuits of the Collegio Romano that were sent to meet with Galileo verified his observations by using his telescope, but disagreed with his interpretation of them. Therefore, it seems very unlikely that the quote is accurate.

Probably, the quote is a kind of bullshit.