JoshuaZ comments on Rationality Quotes: December 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 05 December 2010 03:28:52AM 1 point [-]

Kuhn did not say that. His notion of paradigm advancement had a lot to do with a lot of other things. His canonical example of paradigm change (the Copernican revolution) had people actively changing their minds even in his narrative. And there are a lot of problems with his story of how things went, see for example this essay.

Furthermore, in many other shifts where new theories came into play, the overall trend happened with many old people accepting the new theory. Thus for example, Einstein's special relativity was accepted by many older physicists.

Comment author: zombiefeynman 06 December 2010 04:35:00PM -2 points [-]

...While Einstein himself rejected quantum mechanics!

(And, yes, I'm aware of the philosophical glitches in the Copenhagen Interpretation. But Einstein refused to accept QM on principle, and I'm not sure any evidence could have convinced him, which is rather poor form for one of the greatest thinkers of all time.)

Comment author: Manfred 06 December 2010 05:05:19PM *  3 points [-]

This is probably wrong. If Einstein were transported to today we could almost certainly convince him of the correctness of quantum mechanics. Not only that, the guy did a lot of important quantum mechanics research, which should suggest that it's not as simple as "he rejected it." Wikipedia says that he initially thought matrix mechanics was wrong, but became convinced of it when it was shown to be equivalent to the Schroedinger forumulation.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 07 December 2010 11:13:10PM *  1 point [-]

Not only that, the guy did a lot of important quantum mechanics research, which should suggest that it's as simple as "he rejected it."

You are probably right on with this comment, but I think I may have misunderstood you on one point. Did you mean "it's not as simple as 'he rejected it.' "? The way it is now looks like it contradicts the rest of the post.

Also, I recall that Einstein did change his mind at least one important point, the existence of the "cosmological constant." So that implies he wasn't especially close-minded.

Comment author: Manfred 08 December 2010 07:05:43PM *  1 point [-]

Hah, yes. Typos strike again. Fixed.