Desrtopa comments on The Trolley Problem: Dodging moral questions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 07 December 2010 05:04:07PM 3 points [-]

As an ethicist who routinely rejects trolley problems, I feel I must respond to this.

The trolley problem was first formulated by Philippa Foot as a parody of the ridiculous ethical thought experiments developed by philosophers of the time. Its purpose was to cause the reader to observe that the thought experiment is a contrived scenario that will never occur (apparently, it serves that purpose in most untrained folks), and thus serves as an indictment of how divorced reasoning about ethics in philosophy had become from the real world of ethical decision-making.

When I hear a trolley problem, I immediately try to start filling in details. Who are the five people, and who is the one? Why are they on the trolley tracks? Why am I the only person who can do something about it? Are there really no other alternatives, and if so, how is this known to me?

And if the best "least convenient possible world" ends up being one which doesn't even remotely resemble reality, then I don't mind if my moral compass outputs an undefined value in those spaces; my morality is built for the real world.

Comment author: Desrtopa 07 December 2010 05:09:16PM 1 point [-]

The trolley problem was first formulated by Philippa Foot as a parody of the ridiculous ethical thought experiments developed by philosophers of the time. Its purpose was to cause the reader to observe that the thought experiment is a contrived scenario that will never occur (apparently, it serves that purpose in most untrained folks), and thus serves as an indictment of how divorced reasoning about ethics in philosophy had become from the real world of ethical decision-making.

I've never heard this before, and nothing I've read on the history or uses of the problem as a tool of psychological study suggest that this is the case. Where did you hear this?

Comment author: thomblake 07 December 2010 05:20:55PM 0 points [-]

Where did you hear this?

I'm not sure. It's more or less the received wisdom in virtue ethics, for which in the 20th century Foot was a foundational figure. I'll see if I can find a reference, though I'm sure I got that impression from the original text.

Comment author: Jack 07 December 2010 05:29:28PM 2 points [-]

I believe this is the original and she seems to be using these thought experiments unironically, though I haven't read closely.