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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 December 2010 07:25:45AM 2 points [-]

I took this to mean that Republicans were allowed to do moral calculus that Democrats could not... for instance, if I can only reason with the firs two, then punching a baby is always wrong (it causes harm, and isn't fair)... If, on the other hand, I'm allowed to reason with all five, it might be okay to punch a baby because my Leader said to do it, or because the baby isn't from my home town, or because my religion says to.

First let me say that as a Republican/libertarian I don't entirely agree with Haidt's analysis.

In any case, the above is not quiet how I understand Haidt's analysis. My understanding is that Democracts have no way to categorically say that punching (or even killing) a baby is wrong. While they can say it's wrong because as you said it causes harm and isn't fair, they can always override that judgement by coming up with a reason why not punching and/or killing the baby would also cause harm. (See the philosophy of Peter Singer for an example).

Republicans on the other hand can invoke sanctity of life.

Comment author: waitingforgodel 08 December 2010 07:32:29AM 2 points [-]

Sure, agreed. The way I presented it only showed very simplistic reasoning.

Let's just say that, if you imagine a Democrat that desperately wants to do x but can't justify it morally (punch a baby, start a somewhat shady business, not return a lost wallet full of cash), one way to resolve this conflict is to add Republican channels to his reasoning.

It doesn't always work (sanctity of life, etc), but I think for a large number of situations where we Democrats-at-heart get cold feet it works like a champ :)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 December 2010 07:49:26AM 1 point [-]

It doesn't always work (sanctity of life, etc), but I think for a large number of situations where we Democrats-at-heart get cold feet it works like a champ :)

So I've noticed. See the discussion following this comment for an example.

On the other hand other times Democrats take positions that Republicans horrific, e.g., euthanasia, abortion, Peter Singer's position on infanticide.

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 December 2010 08:27:51AM *  5 points [-]

Peter Singer's media-touted "position on infanticide" is an excellent example of why even philosophers might shy away from talking about hypotheticals in public. You appear to have just become Desrtopa's nighmare.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 December 2010 08:38:35AM 2 points [-]

My problem with Singer is that his "hypotheticals" don't appear all that hypothetical.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 December 2010 08:31:18AM *  2 points [-]

You appear to have just become Desrtopa's nighmare.

What specifically are you referring to? (I haven't been following Desporta's posts.)

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 December 2010 08:41:17AM *  2 points [-]

It's evident you really need to read the post. He can't get people to answer hypotheticals in almost any circumstances and thought this was a defect in the people. Approximately everyone responded pointing out that in the real world, the main use of hypotheticals is to use them against people politically. This would be precisely what happened with the factoid about Singer.

Comment author: waitingforgodel 08 December 2010 10:48:36AM 2 points [-]

Thanks for the link -- very interesting reading :)