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If you're genuinely unaware of the status-related implications of the way you phrased this comment, and/or of the fact that some people rate those kinds of implications negatively, let me know and I'll try to unpack them.
If you're simply objecting to them via rhetorical question, I've got nothing useful to add.
If it matters, I haven't downvoted anyone on this thread, though I reserve the right to do so later.
I understand that status-grabbing phrasing can explain why downvotes were in fact made, but object that they should be made for that reason here, on Less Wrong. If I turn out to be wrong, then sure. There could be other reasons beside that.
Likely this, but it's not completely clear to me what you mean.
Not as an affiliation signal, since the question is about properties of my comments, not of the people who judge them. But since you are not one of the downvoters, this says that you have less access to the reasons behind their actions than if you were one of them.
I am not one of the downvoters you are complaining about but the distinction is a temporal one, not one of differing judgement. I have since had the chance to add my downvote. That suggests my reasoning may have a slightly higher correlation at least. :)
Something I have observed is that people can often get away with status grabbing ploys but they will be held to a much higher standard while they are doing so. People will extend more grace to you when you aren't insulting them, bizarrely enough.
I often observe that the one state of mind that leads me to sloppy thinking is that of contempt. Contempt is also the signal you were laying on thickly in your comments here and thinking displayed therein was commensurably shoddy. Not in the sense that they were internally inconsistent but in as much as they didn't relate at all well with the comments that you were presuming to reply to. (Whether the 'contempt' causality is, in fact, at play is not important - it is the results that get the votes.)
I wouldn't normally make such critiques but rhetorically or not you asked for one and this is a sincere reply.
Thank you. Contempt was not intended (or felt), I'll try keeping this possible impression in mind to figure out where I should tune down the way I talk to communicate emotion more accurately.
Yes, it's fascinating for me how severely reasoning can be distorted by strong emotions, but generally I feel (social) emotions more rarely than other people. When that happens, I identify motivated thoughts by dozens, and have impaired ability to think clearly. I wish there was a reproducible way of inducing such emotional experience to experiment more with those states of mind.
I don't believe that it's the cause. I'm generally bad at guessing what people mean, I often need being told explicitly. I don't believe it's the case with David Gerard's comments in this thread though (do you disagree?). I believe it was more the case with waitingforgodel's comments today.
I appreciate such critiques, so at least my nonexistent disapproval of them shouldn't be a reason for making them more rarely.
Much less so with David. David also expressed himself more clearly - or perhaps instead in a more compatible idiom.
While such things are never going to be perfectly tailored for the desired effect MDMA invokes a related state. :)
I meant that if you were asking the question as a way of expressing your objections I had nothing useful to add.
Yes. Of course, if the question isn't about the people who judge the comments, then access to those people's motivations isn't terribly relevant to the question.
The reasons they had for making their decisions can (should) be about my comment, not about them.
To be fair, I think the parent of the downvoted comment also has status implications:
It's a serious accusation hurled at the wrong type of guy IMO - Vladimir probably takes the objectivity award on this forum. I think his response was justified and objective, as usual.
When someone says "look, here is this thing you did that led to these clear problems in reality" and the person they're talking to answers "ah, but what is reality?" then the first person may reasonably consider that dodging the question.