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Comment deleted 09 December 2010 08:08:04PM *  [-]
Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 December 2010 08:22:03PM 1 point [-]

No, the rationale for deletion was not based on the possibility that his exact, FAI-based scenario could actually happen.

Comment author: wedrifid 09 December 2010 08:31:28PM 2 points [-]

No, the rationale for deletion was not based on the possibility that his exact, FAI-based scenario could actually happen.

What was the grandparent?

Comment author: ata 09 December 2010 08:38:16PM *  3 points [-]

Hm? Did my comment get deleted? I still see it.

Comment author: komponisto 09 December 2010 09:10:29PM 2 points [-]

I noticed you removed the content of the comment from the record on your user page. I would have preferred you not do this; those who are sufficiently curious and know about the trick of viewing the user page ought to have this option.

Comment author: ata 09 December 2010 09:15:13PM *  1 point [-]

There was nothing particularly important or interesting in it, just a question I had been mildly curious about. I didn't think there was anything dangerous about it either, but, as I said elsewhere, I'm willing to take Eliezer's word for it if he thinks it is, so I blanked it. Let it go.

Comment author: komponisto 09 December 2010 09:33:58PM *  7 points [-]

I'm willing to take Eliezer's word for it if he thinks it is, so I blanked it

I know why you did it. My intention is to register disagreement with your decision. I claim it would have sufficed to simply let Eliezer delete the comment, without you yourself taking additional action to further delete it, as it were.

Let it go.

I could do without this condescending phrase, which unnecessarily (and unjustifiably) imputes agitation to me.

Comment author: ata 10 December 2010 11:11:17PM *  2 points [-]

I could do without this condescending phrase, which unnecessarily (and unjustifiably) imputes agitation to me.

Sorry, you're right. I didn't mean to imply condescension or agitation toward you; it was written in a state of mild frustration, but definitely not at or about your post in particular.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 December 2010 09:14:37PM 1 point [-]

Only if you disagree with correctness of moderator's decision.

Comment author: komponisto 09 December 2010 09:17:41PM *  1 point [-]

Disagreement may be only partial. One could agree to the extent of thinking that viewing of the comment ought to be restricted to a more narrowly-filtered subset of readers.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 December 2010 09:20:02PM 0 points [-]

Yes, this is a possible option, depending on the scope of moderator's decision. Banning comments from a discussion, even if they a backed up and publicly available elsewhere, is still an effective tool in shaping the conversation.

Comment author: waitingforgodel 09 December 2010 08:44:38PM 1 point [-]

yep, this one is showing as deleted

Comment author: wedrifid 09 December 2010 08:46:05PM 0 points [-]

Weird. I see:

09 December 2010 08:08:04PM* Comment deleted [-]

How does Eliezer's delete option work exactly? It stays visible to the author? Now I'm curious.

Comment deleted 09 December 2010 09:04:55PM *  [-]
Comment author: wedrifid 09 December 2010 09:06:30PM *  15 points [-]

Whats frustrating is I would have had no idea it was deleted- and just assumed it wasn't interesting to anyone, had I not checked after reading the above. I'd much rather be told to delete the relevant portions of the comment- lets at least have precise censorship!

Wow. Even the people being censored don't know it. That's kinda creepy!

his comment led me to discover that quite a long comment I made a little bit ago had been deleted entirely.

How did you work out that it had been deleted? Just by logging out, looking and trying to remember where you had stuff posted?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 December 2010 09:09:23PM 17 points [-]

I think it's a standard tool: trollish comments look like being ignored to the trolls. But I think it's impolite to delete comments made in good faith without notification and usable guidelines for cleaning up and reposting. (Hint hint.)

Comment author: Jack 09 December 2010 09:15:09PM *  3 points [-]

How did you work out that it had been deleted? Just by logging out, looking and trying to remember where you had stuff posted?

I only made one comment on the subject and I was rather confused that it was being ignored. I also knew I might have said too much about the Roko post and actually included a sentence saying that if I crossed the line I'd appreciate being told to edit it instead of having the entire thing deleted. So I just checked that one comment in particular. If other comments of mine have been deleted I wouldn't know about it, though this was the only comment in which I have discussed the Roko post.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 December 2010 09:08:02PM 3 points [-]

I doubt that this is a deliberate feature.

Comment author: ata 09 December 2010 08:47:46PM *  -1 points [-]

Yes, I've been told that it was deleted but that I still see it since I'm logged in.

In that case I won't repeat what I said in it, partly because it'll just be deleted again but mainly because I actually do trust Eliezer's judgment on this. (I didn't realize that I was saying more than I was supposed to.) All I'll say about it is that it did not actually contain the question that Eliezer's reply suggests he thought it was asking, but it's really not important enough to belabor the point.

Comment deleted 09 December 2010 08:50:59PM *  [-]
Comment deleted 09 December 2010 09:04:05PM [-]
Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 December 2010 09:00:45PM -1 points [-]

Reposting comments deleted by the authors or by moderators will be considered hostile behavior and interfering with the normal and intended behavior of the site and its software, and you will be asked to leave the Less Wrong site.

-- Eliezer Yudkowsky, Less Wrong Moderator.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 December 2010 09:25:19PM 15 points [-]

This decree is ambiguous enough to be seen as threatening people not to repost their banned comments (made in good faith but including too much forbidden material by accident) even after removing all objectionable content. I think this should be clarified.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 December 2010 09:33:54PM 9 points [-]

Consider that clarification made; no such threat is intended.

Comment author: XiXiDu 28 January 2011 11:06:47AM *  0 points [-]

Reposting comments deleted by the authors or by moderators will be considered hostile behavior...

Does this only apply to comments? The reason that I ask by replying to this old comment is because I noticed that you can't delete posts. If you delete a post it is not listed anymore and the name of the author disappears but it is still available, can be linked to using the original link and can be found via the search function.

If you want to delete a post you first have to edit it to remove its content manually.