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61 Post author: AnnaSalamon 08 December 2010 05:30PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 08 December 2010 05:50:55PM 6 points [-]

This is essentially the debate between scientific realists and anti-realists in philosophy of science. Realists hold that unobservable entities postulated by scientific theories are still "real"; anti-realists hold that these entities are not real. One of the big problems for anti-realists, as you pointed out with your first example, is that "what is observable" changes over time (e.g. we can now "see" atoms in ways that would have startled physicists in the 1860's). However, the anti-realists do have one interesting argument in their favor: many theories that were empirically successful for a long period of time turned out to postulate unobservable entities that didn't actually exist. For example: ether, which made claims that were useful as prediction tools but didn't truly reflect reality. (This argument comes from Bas Van Fraassen, a leading anti-realist.)

Hopefully this historical context is helpful. The point I am trying to make is this: your question is one of those "great unsolved problems in philosophy."

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 08 December 2010 05:55:26PM *  9 points [-]

The point I am trying to make is this: your question is one of those "great unsolved problems in philosophy."

The usual "great unsolved question of philosophy' is "Are atoms real?". I'm not trying to ask that question. I'm instead asking what disguised empirical inquiry scientists were engaged in, when, in the course of ordinary scientific research (and not metaphysical debates) they tried to figure out whether atoms were real.

Comment author: Jack 08 December 2010 09:14:08PM *  4 points [-]

Contemporary philosophers call this conceptual analysis and it's exactly how they talk about scientific realism and anti-realism. Your answer to the question, that X is real if it can be included as part of a coherent whole with the rest of science is vaguely Quinean.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 December 2010 06:19:56PM 1 point [-]

I agree with the resemblance to Quine; it could also be thought of as Philip Kitcher's "unification" model of explanation.

Comment author: komponisto 09 December 2010 06:29:02PM 1 point [-]

And also the coherence theory of truth (replace "X is real" with " 'X exists' is true").