Vladimir_Nesov comments on Unpacking the Concept of "Blackmail" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 December 2010 04:37:07PM *  1 point [-]

And yes, these two situations are equivalent, except for what I want the offerer to do, which I think is what yields the distinction, not the concept of a baseline in the initial offer.

Yes, the distinction is in the way you prefer to acausally observation-counterfactually influence the other player. Not being offered a trade shouldn't be considered irrelevant by your decision algorithm, even if given the observations you have it is impossible. Like in Counterfactual Mugging, but with the other player instead of a fair coin. Newcomb's with transparent boxes is also relevant.

Comment author: SilasBarta 10 December 2010 04:53:39PM *  1 point [-]

Like in Counterfactual Mugging, but with the other player instead of a fair coin. Newcomb's with transparent boxes is also relevant.

Exactly, which is why I consider the hazing problem to be isomorphic to CM, and akrasia to be a special case of the hazing problem.