Vladimir_Nesov comments on Unpacking the Concept of "Blackmail" - Less Wrong
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Taboo cause, effect, taboo counterfactuals. That something is, doesn't answer why it's normatively useful ("they come from the thinker").
Okay: Thinking about how things would differ now, or in future, based on a slightly modified version of the past, allows us to accurately consider what the world could be like, in the future, based on our options in the present.
You said you sought to understand where they came from. That they come from the thinker is an answer to that. I answered how they're relevant in the second part of the post (and the first part of this one)
You ignore these points and repeat something contradictory to them, which is wrong in a debate even if you don't accept them. You (or I) need to find another path, and not rehash the same ground.
Okay, I'll go point to point, and try and understand what you meant in that post, that you think I'm ignoring.
This is simply false, as a statement, so I won't treat it on it's own.
This is fine. Sure. My post works fine within such a structure.
True. But making choices requires that one accept that one doesn't know what the future is, nor does one know what one's decision will be. It requires the use of "if... then" thoughts, or counterfactuals.
So, nope, not ignored, just irrelevant.
Emotional dismissal, not an actual point.
A good counterfactual should be logically consistent. It isn't the real world, but the real world isn't the only logically consistent possible world.
Perhaps you're making the same mistake as you made with the term "logically impossible" earlier?
Dismissal, not an actual point.
EDIT: So, which of those are you claiming I contradicted exactly?