Kingreaper comments on Unpacking the Concept of "Blackmail" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kingreaper 19 December 2010 02:26:43AM *  2 points [-]

Okay, I'll go point to point, and try and understand what you meant in that post, that you think I'm ignoring.

Things don't change.

This is simply false, as a statement, so I won't treat it on it's own.

When you make a decision, you are not changing the future, you are deciding the future.

This is fine. Sure. My post works fine within such a structure.

The future is what it is given your actual decision,

True. But making choices requires that one accept that one doesn't know what the future is, nor does one know what one's decision will be. It requires the use of "if... then" thoughts, or counterfactuals.

So, nope, not ignored, just irrelevant.

all else is fantasy

Emotional dismissal, not an actual point.

(logically inconsistent even, because the structure of your own mind implies only one decision, when you ignore some unimportant cognitive noise)

A good counterfactual should be logically consistent. It isn't the real world, but the real world isn't the only logically consistent possible world.

Perhaps you're making the same mistake as you made with the term "logically impossible" earlier?

perhaps morally important fantasy whose structure we ought to understand, but still not the reality.

Dismissal, not an actual point.

EDIT: So, which of those are you claiming I contradicted exactly?