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Comment author: Gastogh 27 April 2012 11:15:41PM 3 points [-]

The person making this argument thinks their argument is watertight because of its structure, and will likely not listen to any suggestion that natural laws are not a component of the laws described in the first premise.

If people think the structure is watertight and that the is argument valid because of that, maybe pointing out the structural flaw in clear terms would get through to them. Specifically, this one's called a fallacy of four terms, though it's in disguise; the word law is used to mean human-designed law in the major premise and any kind of law in the minor premise. The fact that the word also occurs in the phrase natural laws adds to the fun, too.

If going into even deeper detail might help, linguistics has a name for this sort of phenomenon: autohyponymy. It's when a word has a kind of "default general sense" in addition to one or more specific meanings, which occasionally leads to mix-ups. In this case, we have the hypernonym law (=all kinds of laws) and its hyponym law (=piece of human legislation). Another set of examples of the concept of autohyponymy would be the hyperonym dog (=dog of either gender) and its hyponyms dog (=male dog) and bitch (=female dog).

Comment author: TimS 29 April 2012 04:39:27PM *  0 points [-]

Do you find stating it like that rather than saying "fallacy of equivocation" is more effective in getting your objection across? Edit: Because my experience is that pointing out the fallacy (by whatever name) is seldom effective.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 May 2012 06:10:26PM 6 points [-]

Tell that person that feathers are light, what is light cannot be dark, therefore feathers cannot be dark.

Comment author: SusanBrennan 12 May 2012 09:29:21PM 0 points [-]

This is my favorite response so far.