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I just found that amusing, given the subject matter.
Anyway. I don't see how you could possibly believe that axioms 1 through 4 are meaningful and axiom 5 is too infinite to be meaningful. If you deny infinity then you should deny that axioms 1 through 4 are together meaningful, because they only have infinite models. 5 just restricts that infinity to the smallest one, the intersection of all the models that match 1 through 4.
You are using strong theories to reason about Peano arithmetic. If Nelson doubts the consistency of PA, he's not going to buy your argument.
Try the new link.
Nelson does not believe that axiom 5 is any less meaningful than axioms 1-4. He believes that, granting axioms 1-4, axiom 5 is false.
Yes all models, in the sense of model theory, of axioms 1-4 are infinite. But why would you require a model of PA before regarding PA as meaningful? After all no one actually possesses such an infinite model, or any other infinite set.
Model theory is based on set theory. With a powerful enough set theory (including ZF) one can actually prove that arithmetic is consistent. Nelson believes that such strong forms of set theory are inconsistent.
You're mistaken. There exist nonstandard models of Peano arithmetic.