Vaniver comments on The Cambist and Lord Iron: A Fairy Tale of Economics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 26 December 2010 09:18:26PM 0 points [-]

Wait, that seems too high to me. If you can't sell, then you are left unchanged or neutral. But an infinitely large punishment for selling and gaining a finite good means that you are infinitely badly off.

The only tax that leaves one unchanged or neutral is one exactly equal to the value of your gain. You sell for 10 rupees, the punishment is 10 rupees, and you are equally well-off whether you sell or don't sell.

(Assuming the item has no intrinsic utility or disutility, I guess. Adjust the tax from parity downwards or upwards respectively.)

Comment author: Vaniver 26 December 2010 09:32:06PM 0 points [-]

But an infinitely large punishment for selling and gaining a finite good means that you are infinitely badly off.

Only if you take the option of selling it? Keep in mind the original conclusion we're going for- "a punishment that completely prevents me from selling my trumpet hijacks my revealed preference for keeping my trumpet, setting it at infinity."

(For the story's example, the punishments are finite- the prisoners could sneak in unhealthy foods or avoid exercise- and so we're just interested in the weaker statement that the punishment dramatically increases the prisoner's revealed preferences for eating healthily and exercising.)

Comment author: gwern 27 December 2010 12:14:44AM 0 points [-]

But surely one's revealed preference for the trumpet wouldn't be infinity, say, but some small number like a million? So the infinity is excessive.

Comment author: Vaniver 27 December 2010 06:13:56PM 0 points [-]

Like said in the grandparent, for a finite punishment the value would be finitely increased. But I don't see an issue with saying complete prevention results in infinite value, knowing that's an idealized case.