orthonormal comments on The Santa deception: how did it affect you? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jack 20 December 2010 12:58:24AM *  9 points [-]

I've said before that I think I care about the truth more than other people because a parent lied to me- but I don't think the Santa lie was the traumatizing one.

I slowly gathered more evidence there was no Santa year by year. Once my Aunt thanked my mother for something that had a "From Santa" label. We had a tradition of calling Santa to tell him what we wanted for Christmas, Santa being my mother's older brother the actor. I recall my belief diminishing when I realized none of my classmates were talking to Santa on the phone. And then there was the fact that my brother and I began to hunt and find the hidden presents- presents we assumed would be put under the tree as "From Mom" but a few ended up coming from Santa Claus and that pretty much gave it away.

The Tooth Fairy was the first myth I realized was false- figuring this out was easy. Like the fifth tooth I lost I didn't tell anyone and put it under my pillow. I woke up the next day and it was still there. Then I told my parents and the next night, found money. I then pretended I still believed in the Tooth Fairy until the rest of my teeth came out.

Maybe there is a rationalist case for these lies. There aren't many other occasions for kids to find important things out about the world on their own. They mostly learn by being talked at "there are atoms" "the earth rotates around the sun" etc. Outside of Santa Claus when does a seven-year-old get to weigh evidence and challenge authority. Maybe it should be like a rationalist right of passage. The day your kid discovers Santa Claus isn't real you take him out for dinner with family and friends, explain the lesson and give him a badge or a bicycle or something. Welcome him to the next step on the path to adulthood.

I believe there was an idea here for a rationalist school that teaches the process of discovery by not teaching children facts about the world but by giving them the tools to learn those facts on their own. I can't remember if that idea originated in my head or if I read it here first and then told others about it. Maybe Santa Claus should be something like that.

Comment author: orthonormal 21 December 2010 04:34:08AM 4 points [-]

The Tooth Fairy was the first myth I realized was false- figuring this out was easy. Like the fifth tooth I lost I didn't tell anyone and put it under my pillow. I woke up the next day and it was still there. Then I told my parents and the next night, found money. I then pretended I still believe in the Tooth Fairy until the rest of my teeth came out.

I'm impressed and envious- that attitude, rather than any amount of memorized facts, is the sign of a scientific prodigy.

Comment author: Jack 21 December 2010 05:20:53AM *  5 points [-]

Unfortunately this attitude

I then pretended I still believe in the Tooth Fairy until the rest of my teeth came out.

is how you get tenure.

But in humility I think my teeth started coming out a fair bit later than most children's do. And I don't know how conscious I was of what I was doing. I'm not sure the thought process was as complicated as "I know, I'll keep it a secret from my parents, who I suspect of being the tooth fairy, and if there is no money I'll see what happens if I do tell them." It may just have been hard to get excited about announcing I lost another tooth after already having done it 4 times before.