wedrifid comments on A fun estimation test, is it useful? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 26 December 2010 03:47:17PM *  0 points [-]

That just means you lied to the test, which made it useless in determining your capacity to estimate certainty levels.

No, what it means is that your description of the "perfect" score is wrong. Emphasis on "your" because the test itself makes no such declaration, leaving scope for a nuanced interpretation (as others have provided here).

Try for an honest attempt next time, then it'll help you better.

It is not relevant (see above) but this too may be mistaken. Tests that are foiled by 'lying to them' are bad tests. Making a habit of engaging with them is detrimental to rational thinking. They measure and encourage the development of the ability to deceive oneself - a bias that comes naturally to humans. "Sincerity" is bullshit.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 26 December 2010 09:53:12PM *  1 point [-]

Tests that are foiled by 'lying to them' are bad tests.

Really? What test can you imagine that checks your ability at anything which can't be foiled by intentionally attempting to foil it?

A test that measures your speed at running can be foiled if you don't run as best as you can. A test that measures your ability to stand still can be foiled if you intentionally move. And a test that measures your intelligence can be foiled if you purposefully give it stupid answers. Which is what you did.

Perhaps you mean that this would be a bad test for someone to use to evaluate others, as people can also foil the test in an upwards direction, not just a downwards one.

Making a habit of engaging with them is detrimental to rational thinking.

Citation needed.

"Sincerity" is bullshit.

No, sincerity is the opposite of bullshit. I didn't have much of a trouble typing the range I actually believed gave me roughly a 90% chance. You on the other hand chose to type nine ranges that gave 100% chance, and one range that gave 0% chance.

So I was measurably, quantifiably, more sincere than you in my answers

Comment author: wedrifid 27 December 2010 05:06:06AM *  0 points [-]

A test that measures your speed at running can be foiled if you don't run as best as you can. A test that measures your ability to stand still can be foiled if you intentionally move. And a test that measures your intelligence can be foiled if you purposefully give it stupid answers. Which is what you did.

You are being silly. Self sabotage is not what we are talking about here and not relevant. In fact, if your definition of a 'perfect score' was actually what the test was talking about then you would be self sabotaging. See my previous support of the test itself and advocacy of a more nuanced evaluation system than integer difference minimization.

No, sincerity is the opposite of bullshit.

"Sincerity is bullshit." is actually a direct quote a from On Bullshit. Those people here that use the term bullshit tend to mean it in the same sense described in that philosophical treatise.

I never reward people, even myself, for self deception.