Don't you think there is a risk that attaching relevance to rudeness in this way provides an easy excuse for dismissing comments that might be worth taking seriously?
Of course I do. But I think that risk is made minimal by requiring several factors- rudeness is strike 1, and making it up to strike 3 to get called out requires two other infractions. That means that some arguments will be out that wouldn't be if we didn't measure rudeness, but the marginal comments are two-strike arguments that are rude; we're looking at pretty low value, here.
weren't intended to be.
This is actually the strongest argument for downvoting things for being rude- instead of letting people continue to unknowingly behaving in a way that reflects poorly on them, you make it explicit to them that their behavior is winning them no friends. They have an opportunity to practice losing gracefully, rewrite their argument to be superior, and clear up their thinking with regards to the issue.
instead of letting people continue to unknowingly behaving in a way that reflects poorly on them
I think this whole discussion about rudeness keeps oscillating between the claim that rude behavior is socially inappropriate and that such behavior is objectionable from the point of view of truth-seeking. The quote above is a case in point: you say that the "strongest argument" for downvoting rude comments is that it "reflects poorly on" commenters. But rudeness reflects poorly on someone socially and not (except in an indirect sort of...
There's a Less Wrong meetup at my house in Berkeley this Saturday, the 25th of December, at 6PM. Celebrate the winter season, the Solstice, and the birth of Sir Isaac Newton among friendly aspiring rationalists, including Eliezer and other SIAI staff and volunteers.
I will cook for everyone in the style I call "paleolithic gourmet" which is cooked meat and raw produce.
I'd like to satisfy everyone's preferences as reasonably as I possibly can without getting vastly more food than will be eaten.
Default menu:
Steak
Lamb Burgers
Bacon
Salad of Berkeley Bowl produce and parmesan
Grilled Portabello and chanterelle mushrooms
Cheese selection
Pita + hummus
Cookies
Feel free to bring a potluck dessert or if you like, an alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverage.
The food is free, but if you can afford to, in the spirit of Newtonmas, I suggest a $10 or $15 or $500 donation to SIAI (which will be matched). Please don't not come because you prefer not to pay; no one will be excluded from food or shunned for not paying. I really mean that. Consider the donation not an admission fee and more of a gentle nudge and reminder that optimal philanthropy starts around $10 and that you should positively associate giving money with the fuzzies of eating delicious food.
Please post here if you plan on attending and RSVP on Facebook. You can also post here or PM me with your thoughts on the menu and tell me what you want to eat the most of. I wasn't planning on cooking fish or chicken but can do so if people let me know they want fish or chicken or something else (like a carbohydrate).
My address is 1622 Martin Luther King Jr Way Apt A, Berkeley CA. It's the ground floor apartment around the side, not the upstairs one.