Pablo_Stafforini comments on Newtonmas Meetup, 12/25/2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: orthonormal 25 December 2010 07:37:22PM *  9 points [-]

I think the discussion has gone off the rails here by arguing about the content of your opinions. It's almost certainly the signaling properties rather than the content that caused the initial downvotes. I predict that you're perfectly capable of writing a well-received animal-rights post here, and that this would perhaps get a few people to change to vegetarianism. (Contra Eliezer, you could even begin such a post by stating that eating meat goes against the proper extrapolation of our rationalist values, and still get upvoted.)

What you did here (from my perspective) was to overtly signal your moral superiority to the rest of us, in a context that wasn't devoted to this discussion. That behavior is characteristically downvoted to oblivion here (with a few exceptions- occasionally someone manages to do this wittily or trigger the right applause light; we're still human!).

I approve of this group norm- it leads to discussions with more substance than signaling. I hope you understand that we don't mean any disrespect to your ideas (well, most of us don't), and we'd be open to hearing your case on the issue.

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 25 December 2010 08:09:42PM *  1 point [-]

For the record, here's what I originally commented on David's wall. My comment here on LW was an excerpt from that comment:

Remember when Eliezer Yudkowsky claimed on that website [LW] that frogs are not subjects of moral concern? What ought one to think of a community that intends to be "less wrong" and yet succumbs to such obvious forms of anthropocentric bias?

(I ask this as a big fan of LW, and as someone puzzled by the fact that this community is composed of individuals who are abnormally intelligent and truth-oriented.)

Comment author: orthonormal 26 December 2010 06:43:25PM 0 points [-]

Again, we should find somewhere else to discuss this- but (if that's indeed Eliezer's quote) it couldn't be unthinking bias; the idea of moral concern universalized to all sentients was a big theme with Young Eliezer, if I recall correctly. Some further argument changed his mind, at least in the context of some pertinent query.

And I'm not among them, but there are a fair number of Less Wrongers who are vegetarians for ethical reasons.