pnrjulius comments on Efficient Charity: Do Unto Others... - Less Wrong

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Comment author: artsyhonker 28 December 2010 11:17:09AM *  0 points [-]

It is not only not obviously moral, it is immoral, if that means anything, for a government, or a person, to spend every last dollar on helping the unfortunate before spending any money on education, roads, defense, art, or even entertainment.

This seems a false dichotomy; the unfortunate will also be helped by money spent on education, roads and other measures which increase the common good (so long as they do not make the plight of the unfortunate worse).

Whether to spend money on medicine for the sick, education for those who cannot get access to it with their own resources, or art and etertainment by which a culture might examine these problems strikes me as being a bit like medical triage in an emergency room. Perhaps it makes sense to treat personal resource management similarly.

Comment author: pnrjulius 12 June 2012 01:41:52AM -1 points [-]

Well, think of it this way: What would an economy look like, if everyone in it obeyed the maxims of Peter Singer?

It seems to me it would be a complete mess, far worse than what we have today.

Now, if everyone in the world gave just a small amount of their income (5%? 10%?) to a wide variety of charities they care about---e.g. scientific research, medicine, economic development, and yes, arts and culture---we would get all the benefits of our present system and eliminate a lot of the worst flaws. US GDP is $14 trillion. US development aid and private charity are more like $300 billion (about 2% if you're playing at home). Step that up to $600 billion, or $1 trillion, and what we could accomplish!

But I don't think we're going to get there by making people feel guilty about supporting one thing rather than another. Far better, it seems, to get them to just make a habit of writing a check---think of it like another bill to pay---and not worrying so much about whether it is going the best possible place.

Comment author: gwern 12 June 2012 02:37:06AM 3 points [-]

Well, think of it this way: What would an economy look like, if everyone in it obeyed the maxims of Peter Singer?

They would donate up until the point of diminishing marginal returns as determined by experts in the relevant fields and then spend on themselves.

Seems like a pretty good world.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 June 2012 05:35:28PM 1 point [-]

It seems like a world in which most resources are controlled by "experts in relevant fields." When I consider this possible world should I imagine it with the experts we have now, or with more idealized experts?

Comment author: gwern 12 June 2012 05:58:42PM 0 points [-]

How about the existing experts that the existing Singer recommends in his existing books, and not some straw Singer as pnrjulius seems to be thinking of?

Comment author: [deleted] 12 June 2012 08:59:46PM *  1 point [-]

Singer wants us to donate to these organizations. Seemingly, he wants us to donate a lot, but not so much as he personally gives.

I don't know what Straw Singer wants us to do.