Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Tallinn-Evans $125,000 Singularity Challenge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 January 2011 07:43:22PM 5 points [-]

It is necessary at all times to distinguish whether we are talking about humans or rational agents, I think.

<humans> If you expect that larger organizations mount more effective marketing campaigns and do not attend to their own diminishing marginal utility and that most people don't attend to the diminishing marginal utility either, you should look for maximum philanthropic return among smaller organizations doing very important, almost entirely neglected things that they have trouble marketing, but not necessarily split your donation up among those smaller organizations, except insofar as, being a human, you can donate more total money if you split up your donations to get more glow. </humans>

<rational agents> Marketing campaign? What's a marketing campaign? </rational agents>

Comment author: shokwave 03 January 2011 05:06:04AM *  1 point [-]

Voted up because swapping those tags around is funny.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 January 2011 04:42:26AM 1 point [-]

<rational agents> Marketing campaign? What's a marketing campaign? </rational agents>

Rational agents are not necessarily omniscient agents. There are cases where providing information to the market is a practical course of action.

Comment author: shokwave 03 January 2011 05:12:18AM 0 points [-]

Can't rational agents then mostly discount your information due to publication bias? In any case where providing information is not to your benefit, you would not provide it.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 January 2011 05:59:59AM 1 point [-]

Discount but not discard. Others have their own agenda and if it were directly opposed to mine such that all our interactions were zero sum then I would ignore their communication. But in most cases there is some overlap in goals or at least compatibility. In such cases communication can be useful. Particularly when the information is verifiable. There will be publication bias but that is a bias not a completely invalidated signal.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 January 2011 05:35:22AM 1 point [-]

In which case the nonprovision of that info is also information.

But it wouldn't at all resemble marketing as we know it, either way.

Comment author: shokwave 03 January 2011 06:38:30AM 0 points [-]

Although I now will treat all marketing as a specific instantiation of the clever arguer.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 03 January 2011 05:43:47AM 0 points [-]

To amplify Eliezer's response: What Evidence Filtered Evidence? and comments thereon.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 03 January 2011 02:58:47AM 0 points [-]

<rational agents> Marketing campaign? What's a marketing campaign? </rational agents>

A mechanism for making evidence that supports certain conclusions more readily available to agents whose increased confidence in those conclusions benefits me.