TheOtherDave comments on Tallinn-Evans $125,000 Singularity Challenge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 21 January 2011 05:01:24AM 1 point [-]

If you can clarify the distinction you draw between the use of force and the use of punishments to modify behavior and why that distinction is important, I'd be interested.

Comment author: Quirinus_Quirrell 21 January 2011 01:47:31PM *  4 points [-]

Of course. The defining difference is that force can't be ignored, so threatening a punishment only constitutes force if the punishment threatened is strong enough; condemnation doesn't count unless it comes with additional consequences. Force is typically used in the short term to ensure conformance with plans, while behaviour modification is more like long-term groundwork. Well executed behaviour modifications stay in place with minimal maintenance, but the targets of force will become more hostile with each application. If you use a behaviour modification strategy when you should be using force, people may defy you when you can ill afford it. If you use force when you should be using behavior modification strategies, you will accumulate enemies you don't need.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 21 January 2011 03:11:20PM *  0 points [-]

Makes sense.

So, if sfb edits the parent to read "then we will rely on punishment to modify your behavior so you profess agreement" instead of "then you will be forced to profess agreement," that addresses your objection?