pjeby comments on Why Our Kind Can't Cooperate - Less Wrong

132 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 March 2009 08:37AM

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Comment author: conchis 20 March 2009 01:32:23PM 4 points [-]

"However, unless a galactic overlord designed the universe to please homo sapien rationalists, I don't see any compelling rational reason to believe this to be the case."

Except that we are free to adopt any version of rationality that wins. Rationality should be responsive to a given universe design, not the other way around.

"Irrational belief systems often thrive because they overcome the prisoner dilemmas that individual rational action creates on a group level. Rational people cannot mimic this."

Really? Most of the "individual rationality -> suboptimal outcomes" results assume that actors have no influence over the structure of the games they are playing. This doesn't reflect reality particularly well. We may not have infinite flexibility here, but changing the structure of the game is often quite feasible, and quite effective.

Comment author: pjeby 20 March 2009 04:24:49PM 5 points [-]

For example, we could establish a social norm that compulsive public disagreement is a shameful personal habit, and that you can't be even remotely considered "formidable" if you haven't gotten rid of the urge to seek status by pulling down others.

Comment author: Nebu 20 March 2009 06:33:19PM -1 points [-]

I disagree.