PhilGoetz comments on Dark Arts 101: Using presuppositions - Less Wrong

65 Post author: PhilGoetz 27 December 2010 05:16PM

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Comment author: NihilCredo 30 December 2010 11:38:37AM 4 points [-]

For the most part, spies gather information and publish to a small audience. They are, essentially, doing journalism for a specific group and refraining from broader publication of their work.

I cannot remember ever reading the word "journalism" used to refer to the act of providing information to a small, closed audience. Publication is an essential part of journalism, not an afterthought. And nobody says that handing over a report to your superiors constitutes "publishing".

If I watch a wealthy couple having sex for my enjoyment, I'm a voyeur. If I tell a few friends, I'm a gossip. If I tell it to the absent partner of one of them, I'm a private eye. If I tell it to the readers of the Sun, I'm a journalist.

Wikipedia: "Journalism is the practice of investigation and reporting of events, issues, and trends to a broad audience."

M-W: (a) : the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media (b) : the public press (c) : an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium

I agree that the practice of espionage and [investigative] journalism are pretty much identical when it comes to acquiring information. But what they then do with that information is very different and is, indeed, the very reason why two separate concepts exist in the first place.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 30 December 2010 03:07:54PM 1 point [-]

So, if you write for a small local paper, you're not a journalist?

If there's a qualitative difference, it may be that anyone can access something published by a journalist, if they pay for it. Whereas you can't buy the video feed from an Army UAV.

But if a spy sells secrets to anyone who'll pay for them, is he/she a journalist? :)

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 December 2010 05:55:27PM 2 points [-]

Actually the Army UAV's publish their video steams unencrypted and make them accessible to a broad public who has a video receiver.

Comment author: TobyBartels 02 January 2011 04:19:03AM *  3 points [-]

So they're not spy planes; they're journalist planes!

Comment author: NihilCredo 30 December 2010 03:35:43PM 1 point [-]

So, if you write for a small local paper, you're not a journalist?

More like if it's an internal paper that only selected employees are allowed to read. A small local paper can still be read by anybody in the world.

But if a spy sells secrets to anyone who'll pay for them, is he/she a journalist? :)

If it is broadly known that she's willing to sell those secrets to anyone, AND if she allows the stories to become widespread i.e. everyone can buy the story, not just the highest bidder, then yes, it seems to me that she's essentially operating a (probably) very expensive bulletin.