shokwave comments on Narrow your answer space - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 04 January 2011 03:21:59AM 1 point [-]

a value that you can manipulate and could nudge towards something that is more balanced in how it affects men and women.

This would be ideal, but men don't know how to make it balanced. We just don't have the information or the understanding; it seems chaotic/confusing. We're basically just groping in the dark and that alone has sometimes offended women when it wouldn't offend men. If you have any ideas, even half-formed ones, it would really help.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 January 2011 09:59:11PM 4 points [-]

men don't know how to make it balanced. We just don't have the information

I have to take exception to this.

Different men know this to varying degrees, just as different women do. It depends a lot on how much I pay attention to other people's stated preferences, how skilled I am at inferring their unstated preferences, and how direct the people I interact with are in stating their preferences (which in turn depends on a lot of things, not least of which whether my prior behavior indicates that I will adjust my behavior in response).

Mostly, the piece of this that's within my control is how much attention I pay to people's preferences, and how much I adjust my behavior in response.

Comment author: wedrifid 04 January 2011 10:38:34PM *  0 points [-]

men don't know how to make it balanced. We just don't have the information

I have to take exception to this.

So must I and at several levels! I would perhaps not reject a claim "males are on average less proficient at this kind of skill than females are" but nothing more general than that.