shokwave comments on Some rationality tweets - Less Wrong

43 Post author: Peter_de_Blanc 30 December 2010 07:14AM

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Comment author: shokwave 30 December 2010 09:24:51AM 5 points [-]

First eat the low-hanging fruit. Then eat all of the fruit. Then eat the tree.

I like this one. It works equally well against people who tend to eat the tree first and look down on fruit-eaters later, and against people who eat the low-hanging fruit and sit down, contented.

Comment author: Desrtopa 30 December 2010 01:30:11PM *  5 points [-]

Why eat the tree at all? A live tree will continue to bear fruit. The quote seems to promote immediate use of the closest available resources over patience with higher payoff.

Comment author: Alicorn 30 December 2010 01:41:03PM 31 points [-]

Metaphorical trees are possible to swallow whole, and will thrive in the environment of the metaphorical human stomach, so eating the tree means automatic benefits from all future fruit.

Comment author: magfrump 30 December 2010 06:40:37PM 15 points [-]

You have tortured this metaphor so hard that you have passed infinite negative utils and come back out on the positive infinity side.

Comment author: DSimon 31 December 2010 06:48:36PM 3 points [-]

The human brain represents utilons using a fixed-length integer field?

Comment author: magfrump 31 December 2010 07:23:52PM 6 points [-]

No, but this metaphor has utility occupying a discrete subset of the projective real line isomorphic to a cyclic group.

Comment author: DSimon 17 January 2011 02:51:26PM 1 point [-]

You win. :-)

Comment author: magfrump 17 January 2011 06:15:38PM 1 point [-]

I think the only real way to WIN is for us to torture this metaphor-utility metaphor until IT comes back out on the positive infinite side.

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 30 December 2010 10:36:03PM 1 point [-]

Very good!

Comment author: luminosity 30 December 2010 11:03:32AM 4 points [-]

I, on the other hand, dislike it. Low hanging fruit is a useful and fairly accurate metaphor. This is taking the metaphor and torturing it. It sounds witty, but I don't think it really gets across anything important, nor easily.

Comment author: shokwave 30 December 2010 05:10:44PM 8 points [-]

This is taking the metaphor and torturing it.

Don't look now, but the rest of the comments on the grandparent are also torturing the poor thing. Thankfully, metaphors don't have moral significance.

Comment author: b1shop 30 December 2010 11:30:51AM 0 points [-]

What is this trying to say?

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 30 December 2010 11:55:50AM 4 points [-]

Reap the easy rewards first, but don't stop there.

Comment author: shokwave 30 December 2010 01:09:51PM 1 point [-]

people who tend to eat the tree first and look down on fruit-eaters later

The incorrect view that high difficulty entails high reward (and conversely low difficulty entails low reward), when in reality reward and difficulty are not strongly correlated.

against people who eat the low-hanging fruit and sit down, contented

As per Peter's comment below.