Perplexed comments on Some rationality tweets - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Perplexed 30 December 2010 04:10:09PM 0 points [-]

One of the successes of the Enlightenment is the distinction between beliefs and preferences.
One of the failures of the Enlightenment is the failure to distinguish whether this distinction is a belief or a preference.

Cute. But one of the failures of this ontology is the failure to distinguish between assumptions and assertions. And one of my assertions is that the distinction between beliefs and preferences is an assumption.

Comment author: DSimon 31 December 2010 06:46:29PM 0 points [-]

And one of my assertions is that the distinction between beliefs and preferences is an assumption.

Can you go into more detail about this? I'm not sure what you mean.

Comment author: Perplexed 02 January 2011 03:54:54PM 2 points [-]

The idea is not completely worked out. But the basic idea is that I distinguish between statements used as assertions and statements used as assumptions. (The division of statements into beliefs and preferences is orthogonal.)

When a statement is used as an assertion, the meaning of the statement flows from the relationship between the statement and the actual world. The truth of an assertion depends upon evidence. An assertion "pays the rent in anticipated experience".

When a statement is used as an assumption, the meaning of the statement flows from the way that the assumption changes the way the world is talked about. The presence or absence of an assumption changes the meaning of statements - it may even change a statement from meaningless to meaningful. An assumption "pays the rent" by providing new ways of thinking about the world.

As I understand it, when we choose MWI over Copenhagen, we are making an assumption, not stating an assertion which may (depending on the evidence) be true or false about the world.

So, given this framework, I claim that the question of whether beliefs must be distinguished from preferences is not something to be decided by evidence or reasoning. Instead, we make that distinction as an assumption. Having made that assumption, we can then go on to make assertions or form analogies that flow from this assumption. The assumption enables speaking and reasoning. And we can make the "meta-assertion" that the distinction itself should be classified as an assumption.

Comment author: DSimon 03 January 2011 05:02:17PM 0 points [-]

I like it. It wasn't what I was expecting when you used the word "assumption", though; I usually think of assumptions as being assertions which are for whatever reason not questioned.

Maybe consider using another word, like "lens", or "framework", something that emphasizes their nature as support/modification for assertions.

Comment author: shokwave 03 January 2011 05:23:45PM *  1 point [-]

Premise? That is what I got from

the meaning of the statement flows from the way that the assumption changes the way the world is talked about.