MichaelVassar comments on How to Not Lose an Argument - Less Wrong

109 Post author: Yvain 19 March 2009 01:07AM

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Comment author: MichaelVassar 19 March 2009 02:44:21AM 24 points [-]

Sadly, the unexpected frequently gets translated into the expected, even to the point of explicit denials of a position being ignored repeatedly in a single conversation.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 March 2009 03:44:17AM 15 points [-]

Then say something more unexpected. There's an art to it.

How hard is it to fit a simple denial into a frame? Not hard at all.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 19 March 2009 03:29:03AM 3 points [-]

This situation is especially troublesome if you've already been market as standard opponent #445, such as when you change your own mind you a new, more subtle position that is similar to your old position.

Comment author: AndySimpson 19 March 2009 06:09:32AM 5 points [-]

When I adjust my position in subtle ways like that, I go to pains to point it out, which is rhetorically advantageous and shows that there's a real dialectic going on.