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109 Post author: Yvain 19 March 2009 01:07AM

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Comment author: thomblake 19 March 2009 02:53:03PM 6 points [-]

When Wittgenstein wrote his Tractatus, this was basically his only point. If you clearly define your terms, thereby unambiguously fixing the referents for your propositions, then all disagreement will disappear.

In later works, he realized that there are a lot of things we do with language other than relating propositions, that you use language before you get definitions, and that things are generally a bit more complicated than he used to think.

Comment author: Annoyance 21 March 2009 03:27:17PM 2 points [-]

that you use language before you get definitions

Ah, but that's simply untrue. We use language before we get explicit definitions. The implicit definitions are a necessary precursor for language use.

Comment author: Jack 19 September 2009 01:21:18AM 3 points [-]

Maybe. But the point is that implicit definitions are never clearly defined. Indeed, they are hardly definitions- more like an incomplete sense of in what circumstances the use of the word is appropriate.

Comment author: ciphergoth 19 March 2009 10:50:20PM 4 points [-]

Of course, in practice this process of definition is more like iterative refining than fixing for all time, but the result is the same: the point is to ensure that your discussion is actually about the world. This is what making beliefs pay rent and tabooing words are all about.

(Hmm, we're developing a vocabulary drawn from EY posts - are there more standard terms for these things we could be using?)