Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on How to Not Lose an Argument - Less Wrong

109 Post author: Yvain 19 March 2009 01:07AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 March 2009 07:20:45PM 2 points [-]

This comment on global warming was outright banned for being completely off-topic.

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 March 2009 01:28:49PM 5 points [-]

Interesting - to my surprise, the comment was in line with my sympathies, while I'd expected it to run counter to them. I wonder how best to update given this evidence?

Downvoted nonethless.

Comment author: thomblake 19 March 2009 07:24:54PM 4 points [-]

Come on... it was already in the negatives - it would just take a little nudge to push it below the threshold of anyone who doesn't want to see bad comments. If it doesn't contain illegal/dangerous material, a comment should not be deleted.

While it was clearly propaganda, the author did seem to believe it was to some extent on-topic.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 March 2009 07:28:16PM -1 points [-]

Crossed the line into spam IMO, but if anyone agrees with thomblake they can vote me down further and I'll unban the comment and you can downvote it.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 20 March 2009 02:35:15AM 8 points [-]

Irrespective of this particular comment, as a rule of thumb outright removing comments that were probably submitted in good faith is harmful from a community standpoint. Among other things, it discourages judicious self-policing among the users, makes approval/disapproval seem more capricious and arbitrary, and is less scalable.

Assuming the goal is a user community-driven site, removal by administrative fiat should be reserved for blatantly disruptive comments: content-free trolling, flooding, &c. If, in your judgement, this comment crossed that line that's fine; but I encourage you to be cautious about policy here and to err on the side of non-intervention.

Comment author: thomblake 19 March 2009 07:32:00PM 4 points [-]

You're right - while I don't think it was spam, by the usual definition (I don't see a copy of that comment on every post, for example), spam is definitely a category of things worth deleting and/or developing a mechanism to block. So it's on your judgement.

Comment author: rpauli 19 March 2009 10:57:01PM -2 points [-]

I composed this specifically for LessWrong - so how can this be spam ?

That is really unfair. Perhaps I should have spoken more directly to the use of rhetoric, but in the field of global warming, the big discussion now is rhetoric and the denial of reason.

I will say that my writing is passionate, direct, but not spam. Perhaps you need another category for rejecting an uncomfortable comment.

 Richard Pauli
Comment author: thomblake 20 March 2009 01:44:53AM *  6 points [-]

The problem with the comment was not that it was uncomfortable. It was that it was basically a rant and a bunch of links to sites about your particular political affiliation, which was not the topic of this post.

Even a discussion about how the global warming debate has devolved into mere rhetoric would be only tangentially related to this post and likely would have been voted down for being off-topic.

Comment author: Emile 20 March 2009 12:23:08PM *  0 points [-]

Bwahaha : rpauli now has karma 4294967286, which is 2^32 - 10, from which we can conclude that his actual karma score is -10, and that lesswrong encodes karma in unsigned 32-bit integers.

(Yes, I'm one of the theoretical python volunteers, I just haven't got reddit to work right on my machine yet ... but I'm nearly there!)

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 March 2009 01:25:53PM 1 point [-]

s/64/32/g above.

Comment author: Emile 20 March 2009 01:36:22PM 1 point [-]

Dammit!

... uh, I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 March 2009 04:26:53AM 2 points [-]

Okay, comment's back. We need two more downvotes to make it disappear for most users, so get minusy.