VoiceOfRa comments on How to Not Lose an Argument - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nebu 13 December 2015 07:24:00AM 1 point [-]

Actually, I think "Rationalists should WIN" regardless of what their goals are, even if that includes social wrestling matches.

The "should" here is not intended to be moral prescriptivism. I'm not saying in an morally/ethically ideal world, rationalists would win. Instead, I'm using "should" to help define what the word "Rationalist" means. If some person is a rationalist, then given equal opportunity, resources, difficult-of-goal, etc., they will on average, probabilistically win more often than someone who was not a rationalist. And if they happen to be an evil rationalist, well that sucks for the rest of the universe, but that's still what "rationalist" means.

I believe this definitional-sense of "should" is also what the originator of the "Rationalists should WIN" quote intended.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 December 2015 11:18:01PM 1 point [-]

I'm using "should" to help define what the word "Rationalist" means.

There is a bit of a problem here in that the list of the greatest rationalists ever will be headed by people like Genghis Khan and Prophet Muhammad.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 16 December 2015 03:20:28AM 0 points [-]

Well, if what you want to accomplish is motivating large groups of people into supporting you and using them to conquer a large empire, you should study what they did and how they did it.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 December 2015 05:33:44AM 4 points [-]

Now that you mention it, I actually don't.