Nebu comments on How to Not Lose an Argument - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nebu 18 December 2015 06:10:51AM 1 point [-]

Right, I suspect just having heard about someone's accomplishments would be an extremely noisy indicator. You'd want to know what they were thinking, for example by reading their blog posts.

Eliezer seems pretty rational, given his writings. But if he repeatedly lost in situations where other people tend to win, I'd update accordingly.

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 December 2015 11:27:14AM 1 point [-]

But what about the other case? People who don't seem rational given their writings but who repeatedly win?

Comment author: CCC 18 December 2015 02:16:23PM *  1 point [-]

Possibly he's just extremely lucky. There are seven billion people in the world - one of these people is almost certain to be luckier than all of the rest.

Possibly he is being looked after by a far more competent person behind the scenes; a spouse or a parent, perhaps, who dislikes being visible but works to help that person succeed.

Possibly that person really is more rational than you are, but his methods of success are so alien to you that your first instinct is to reject them out-of-hand.

Possibly his "writings" are actually being ghost-written by someone else.

Possibly he doesn't much care about what he writes, going for low-effort writing in order to concentrate on winning.

Possibly he's found one exploit that really works but won't work if everyone does it; thus, he keeps quiet about it.

Possibly he's deliberately writing to obscure or hide his own methods of success.

Possibly he's found a winning strategy, but he doesn't understand why it works, and thus invents a completely implausible "explanation" for it.

...have I missed anything?

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 December 2015 03:02:15PM 0 points [-]

Possibly that person really is more rational than you are, but his methods of success are so alien to you that your first instinct is to reject them out-of-hand.

If I understand the Peter Thiel doctrine of the secret correlectly that should be the case in many instances.

Comment author: username2 18 December 2015 12:48:36PM 1 point [-]

Some people are rich and can afford valuable things even if they don't spend their money wisely. Some people might win because they have a lot of resources or connections to throw at problems.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 December 2015 04:04:07PM 0 points [-]

seems pretty rational, given his writings

If you define rationality as winning, why does it matter what his writings seem like?

Comment author: Nebu 24 January 2016 10:47:50PM 1 point [-]

I can't directly observe Eliezer winning or losing, but I can make (perhaps very weak) inferences about how often he wins/loses given his writing.

As an analogy, I might not have the opportunity to play a given videogame ABC against a given blogger XYZ that I've never met and will never meet. But if I read his blog posts on ABC strategies, and try to apply them when I play ABC, and find that my win-rate vastly improves, I can infer that XYZ also probably wins often (and probably wins more often than I do).