Normal_Anomaly comments on New Year's Predictions Thread (2011) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 January 2011 01:31:40AM 2 points [-]

Downvoted to disincentivize this type of thing; it strikes me as karma-whoring.

Comment author: oliverbeatson 03 January 2011 02:06:48AM 3 points [-]

Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don't care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people's time.

I don't believe there are any real karma-whores on Less Wrong. I'm detailing my beliefs here in an attempt to accurately signal my ability to think about things; I presume it follows that anyone who can think for more than four seconds shouldn't actually continue to gain pleasure from getting karma for stupid comments. I attempt to signal this because I would not myself wish to learn of the existence of karma-whores on Less Wrong and assume you are the same.

Note the (tenuous) irony; I predicted such criticisms of the post as I wrote it! I hoped people would enjoy reading it; not make conclusions about karma-whoring, which would be bad because I do not gain anything by learning that I have made the readers of Less Wrong unhappy. I do further wonder how many up- or down-votes the first N predictions unaccompanied would have garnered, but I won't tempt fate by doing trials.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 January 2011 08:14:56AM *  2 points [-]

Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don't care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people's time.

Upvoted for indistinguishable insight. Downvoted for the overused and inaccurate "don't care about karma" signal. Downvoted 7 other comments by you at random because you don't care and I'm in an arbitrary mood. :)

I also downvoted Normal's comment because the "karma-whoring" comment was glaringly inaccurate.

Comment author: oliverbeatson 03 January 2011 03:41:52PM 0 points [-]

I care about antagonising people and wasting their time, so naturally I pay attention to karma as it's a reliable signal ;) But of itself it's pretty useless; given the chance, I wouldn't choose to press a button that bestowed 1000 magical karma points on my account.

Comment author: Alicorn 03 January 2011 03:49:02PM 5 points [-]

wouldn't choose to press a button that bestowed 1000 magical karma points

You'd pass up the chance to study ontologically fundamental mental entities?!

Comment author: oliverbeatson 03 January 2011 04:50:33PM 2 points [-]

That is the price of such an intense desire to signal one's apathy toward karma! :P My loss, I suppose!

P.S. Luminosity + Radiance rules! </fanboy>

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 January 2011 02:45:04AM 1 point [-]

Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don't care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people's time.

It was an interesting idea. I approve of this kind of meta-comment in general; I just don't want it to become a bigger part of the comment pool and/or a way of accumulating karma. I do care about the karma system because I think it's useful to know what intelligent people think of me (and I get a fuzzy feeling from positive reinforcement).

I don't believe there are any real karma-whores on Less Wrong. I'm detailing my beliefs here in an attempt to accurately signal my ability to think about things; I presume it follows that anyone who can think for more than four seconds shouldn't actually continue to gain pleasure from getting karma for stupid comments. I attempt to signal this because I would not myself wish to learn of the existence of karma-whores on Less Wrong and assume you are the same.

You assume correctly. I hope there aren't any real karma whores either. I don't really think of you as one, just of that sort of comment as the sort of thing a karma whore would do.

Note the (tenuous) irony; I predicted such criticisms of the post as I wrote it! I hoped people would enjoy reading it; not make conclusions about karma-whoring, which would be bad because I do not gain anything by learning that I have made the readers of Less Wrong unhappy. I do further wonder how many up- or down-votes the first N predictions unaccompanied would have garnered, but I won't tempt fate by doing trials.

I did enjoy reading it, to a limited extent. That and the insightful, useful nature of the parent make this interaction a net gain for me. In conclusion, I upvoted the parent.