shokwave comments on The Neglected Virtue of Scholarship - Less Wrong

177 Post author: lukeprog 05 January 2011 07:22AM

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Comment author: shokwave 05 January 2011 09:23:35AM *  7 points [-]

It is dangerous to assume that casually studying the leading textbook in a soft field will usually make you smarter.

However, enough rationality training will have alarm bells ringing when reading soft textbooks and studies. That in itself - "this field is overpopulated with concepts and undermeasured" - is marginally more useful than knowing nothing about the field.

Comment author: lukeprog 05 January 2011 10:24:56AM *  12 points [-]

If you haven't already, you should try reading postmodern philosophy. An uninterrupted wall of alarm bells. :)

Comment author: shokwave 05 January 2011 01:12:24PM 13 points [-]

I was a philosophy student for my brief attempt at tertiary education - I know what you mean. Our lecturer would describe the text as 'dense' - more aptly, I thought, the author is dense.

An anecdote from that class: after a lecture on Wittgenstein, a student asked the lecturer if the rest of the semester's lectures were to be canceled.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 05 January 2011 03:06:00PM 1 point [-]

I cannot think of a single obvious interpretation for why this occurred, but I can think of a few possible ones. Could you please clarify?

Comment author: gwern 05 January 2011 04:06:57PM *  6 points [-]

There is an obvious one, actually - a frequent (perhaps inaccurate) interpretation of the last parts of the Tractatus is as a denial of the possibility of any real philosophy (including Wittgenstein's).

Since one would naturally cover the Tractatus before The Philosophical Investigations or other works, a rather juvenile response would be exactly that anecdote.

Comment author: insigniff 05 July 2013 09:18:44AM 0 points [-]

A perhaps equally juvenile concern of mine, is whether Wittgenstein himself failed to stand on the shoulders of giants (at least in the Tractatus), by essentially starting from scratch with his own propositions, drawing logical conclusions from them rather than using or at least referring to previous work.

Comment author: shokwave 05 January 2011 04:17:39PM 3 points [-]

Yep. The lecture presented the view that Wittgenstein had explained away most of philosophy - in his own words, that he had resolved all philosophical problems.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 January 2011 06:26:42PM *  7 points [-]

How silly of Wittgenstein! Didn't he know that Hegel had already completed philosophy?

Comment author: PatrickAchtelik 05 January 2011 08:54:45PM 17 points [-]

Oh, Hegel. I remember a lecture where the professor read from Hegel's Wissenschaft der Logik like it was a holy scripture. When he was finished, he looked up and said: "With this, everything is said". I didn't understand anything, it was a jungle of words like being and not-being and becoming and how one thing becomes the other. I said that I didn't understand anything, and what did the lecturer reply with a smile? "It's good you don't understand it!" I seriously had the intense urge to shout at him, but instead I just didn't show up anymore.