PhilGoetz comments on The Neglected Virtue of Scholarship - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 January 2011 06:05:11PM *  1 point [-]

In another debate with Bill Craig, atheist Christopher Hitchens gave this objection: "Who designed the Designer? Don’t you run the risk… of asking 'Well, where does that come from? And where does that come from?' and running into an infinite regress?" But this is an elementary misunderstanding in philosophy of science.

I agree that Hitchens should have looked to see what answers theists give to that question. (And he might have; since theists usually respond instead by saying that God is eternal, meaning outside of time and cause and effect, and therefore in no need of having a cause.) But I disagree that there are any more substantive objections to theism. "Who designed the designer?" is the best single knockdown argument against theism.

The question "where did God come from?" is not qualitatively the same as the question "how do you know your observation that a dropped bowling ball falls is correct?" In science, the answer to every "why" is something that is known with more certainty. Entropy decreases as you trace the epistemological/causal chain back up its causes. Theism, by contrast, boils down to the claim that entropy always increases as you trace back the causal chain. A being X must have been created by some being Y with greater entropy (complexity). The scientific epistemological chain converges; the theistic one diverges.

ADDED: This is basically the same as Tim Tyler's comment below.

Comment author: lukeprog 05 January 2011 07:01:43PM 4 points [-]

PhilGoetz,

And I'll give the same reply as i gave to Tim Tyler. :)

Hitchens did not mention entropy or complexity. He mentioned exactly and only the why-regress, the exact same why-regress that all scientific hypotheses are subject to. Perhaps the objection you raise to theism would have been good for Hitchens to give, but it is not the objection Hitchens gave.

It looks to me like people are trying to make Hitchens look good by putting smarter words in his mouth than the ones he actually spoke.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 06 January 2011 08:45:39PM *  1 point [-]

You are technically correct. Your initial remarks misled me, for the reasons given by Kaj Sotala below. But it's a good example, if I read it carefully and literally, so don't take that as a criticism.

Comment author: lukeprog 06 January 2011 09:12:17PM 1 point [-]

Thanks.