Will_Sawin comments on Techniques for probability estimates - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gfrlog 06 January 2011 07:01:32PM 1 point [-]

I think you could perform the dice rolling experiment without any need for security against tampering. To generate a random number from 0 to N-1, have every interested party generate their own number (roll their own die), then everybody reveals their numbers together and the group adds them all up and takes the remainder after dividing by N.

With that procedure everybody should be convinced that the result is at least as random as their own number.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 07 January 2011 09:47:54PM 0 points [-]

This provides an excellent demonstration of E.T. Jaynes's point that making something more random really means making it more complicated.

Comment author: gfrlog 08 January 2011 06:38:35PM 0 points [-]

The point isn't to make it more random, the point is to make it more trustworthy. You can participate in the process and be confident that the result is random without having to put any trust in the other participants.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 09 January 2011 10:23:46PM 0 points [-]

Regardless, your original language claiming it made it more random was correct, because it does make it more hard-to-predict-but-with-clear-symmetry, aka random.