shokwave comments on Scientific Self-Help: The State of Our Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Davorak 25 January 2011 12:20:07AM 3 points [-]

I'm just trying to find out what that objection is.

If a PUA technique is deceptive or untruthful then it deprives the person to be seduced from relavent information that could help them make a better decision. That is what I see at the heart of many peoples concerns, even if they are often not able to verbalize it.

Whether that objection applies to PU is another question, of course. I think it's mostly overblown.

You think that the objection that PUA techniques use deception or untruthfulness is overblown? Most men looking toward PUA are looking for something effective, so I would imagine that what are considered PUA techniques can be both deceptive or untruthful and the opposite because both can be effective(often for different goals and sometimes for the same goal).

Comment author: shokwave 25 January 2011 09:59:35AM 0 points [-]

You think that the objection that PUA techniques use deception or untruthfulness is overblown?

I recall being surprised about how much of PUA is actually "be the kind of guy that girls want to sleep with straight away". Assuming PUA is deceptive seems like a common flaw in many peoples' approaches to condemning PUA; people are pretty good at spotting deception in the dating/pickup scene; without a further study of common or popular techniques I would be wary of assigning an equal prior:

I would imagine that what are considered PUA techniques can be both deceptive or untruthful and the opposite because both can be effective

Comment author: Davorak 25 January 2011 05:13:22PM 1 point [-]

To be clear I have not been trying to condem PUA.

I just starting examine a technique with HughRistik, do you categorize it as deceptive?

Actually, PUAs are far more likely to display less relationship interest than they truly have, rather than more.

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