R3dpill comments on Scientific Self-Help: The State of Our Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_M 25 January 2011 02:58:39AM *  3 points [-]

I find this topic fascinating not only because of its practical utility, but also because it presents a dissection of complex human social interactions in a way that's uniquely suitable for study and reaching genuine and reliable insight. Nothing even remotely like that, to my knowledge, has ever come out of any other attempt to study human social behavior.

Alas, the dissection analogy can be extended to people's reactions to it. Just like the prevailing religious opinion in ancient times was appalled at the idea of desecrating dead bodies even for the good of science, so the modern respectable opinion, even in venues like LW, is appalled at the idea that these aspects of human life -- which are in our society treated with an extreme level of both idealization and ideologization -- can be analyzed in such an undignified and desecrating but nevertheless correct way.

Comment author: R3dpill 25 January 2011 02:21:06PM -1 points [-]

"even venues like LW are appalled at the idea that these aspects of human life -- which are in our society treated with an extreme level of both idealization and ideologization -- can be analyzed in such an undignified and desecrating but nevertheless correct way."

which begs the question: what is LW for if not for being rational and confronting the truth?

Comment author: Abisashi 25 January 2011 04:36:51PM 0 points [-]

Do you mean "raises the question?"

Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 January 2011 04:43:46PM 1 point [-]

Actually, the quote does beg the question... the connotations of "even" presuppose certain answers to the question of what venues like LW are for.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 January 2011 04:52:35PM 1 point [-]

What struck me was that it presupposed a level of "idealization and ideologization" in related areas far below that of the general population.

Comment author: Abisashi 25 January 2011 04:50:17PM 0 points [-]

You are right. It's strange to see "begs the question" used properly for a change, I couldn't puzzle it out when I read it before.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 January 2011 04:58:04PM 0 points [-]

(nods) I know what you mean: I would have quietly assumed it was a misuse as well if you hadn't raised the question and made me consider it explicitly; I was surprised to realize that it needn't be.