DaFranker comments on Scientific Self-Help: The State of Our Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DaFranker 03 January 2013 08:41:43PM 0 points [-]

In a similar vein I find that I value 'sincerity' far, far less than I once did.

Is this of the "sincere intentions" or "sincere goodwill" kind? I'm a bit curious, because I've never valued the 'intentions' part of sincerity or goodwill or such. However, I've always valued the "deploy giant space lazers!" kind of sincere, really-actually-putting-forth-all-effort-and-resources type of actions, and now value them even more since reading the Sequences.

Comment author: MugaSofer 04 January 2013 05:04:13PM -1 points [-]

If nothing else, surely "sincere goodwill" is instrumentally valuable? I think "sincere intentions" is tied to virtue ethics, though; you shouldn't consider some one a Bad Person just because they made a mistake (this is one of the reasons I abandoned virtue ethics.)

Comment author: DaFranker 04 January 2013 05:22:15PM 0 points [-]

I'm not quite sure. I'm inclined to counter that humans are just as likely to have "sincere goodwill" (or even pay tiny costs to display it when convenient) uncorrelated with their actions, intent to get the world to a certain state, or resource / effort allocation to the something to which they have "goodwill" for.

I've never observed this kind of "goodwill" in myself to have any sort of positive effect on my actions, their observable results, or my experiences, but faking such goodwill has brought me some positive-E.U. social gains. On the other hand, I'm generally not close to typical human minds, as expected for LW users.

So all things considered, I usually regard "sincere goodwill" as something rather trivial to be overshadowed by other considerations.

Comment author: MugaSofer 04 January 2013 11:18:52PM *  0 points [-]

All good points. I would argue that all humans (well, all neurotypicals, and most others) have "sincere goodwill", so clearly it can be overshadowed by their beliefs, say, or cached thoughts. Still, I guess it's better then if everyone really was out to get you, an a terminal level.