shokwave comments on Deontological Decision Theory and The Solution to Morality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 10 January 2011 06:47:10PM 2 points [-]

I feel like the difference between "No matter what, this person will die" and "No matter what, one person will die" is very subtle. It seems like you could arrange thought experiments that trample this distinction. Would that pose a problem?

Comment author: Alicorn 10 January 2011 06:56:09PM *  6 points [-]

I don't remember the details, but while I was at the SIAI house I was presented some very elaborate thought experiments that attempted something like this. I derived the answer my system gives and announced it and everyone made outraged noises, but they also make outraged noises when I answered standard trolley problems, so I'm not sure to what extent I should consider that a remarkable feature of those thought experiments. Do you have one in mind you'd like me to reply to?

Comment author: shokwave 10 January 2011 07:16:50PM *  3 points [-]

Not really. I am mildly opposed to asking trolley problem questions. I mostly just observed that, in my brain, there wasn't much difference between:

Set of 5 people where either 1 dies or 5 die.
Set of 6 people where either 1 dies or 5 die.

I wasn't sure exactly what work the word 'unsalvageable' was doing: was it that this person cannot in principle be saved, so er life is 'not counted', and really you have

Set of 4 people where either none die or 4 die?

Comment author: Alicorn 10 January 2011 07:18:13PM *  3 points [-]

Yes, that's the idea.

Comment author: shokwave 10 January 2011 07:21:44PM 3 points [-]

I see. My brain automatically does the math for me and sees 1 or 5 as equivalent to none or four. I think it assumes that human lives are fungible or something.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 12 January 2011 02:41:15AM 4 points [-]

That's a good brain. Pat it or something.