Risto_Saarelma comments on Less Wrong fanfiction suggestion - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 11 January 2011 02:28:48PM 4 points [-]

it takes place in a universe where consensus reality is true, and thus the scientific method fails as a way to understand the universe, since the laws of physics are determined by how many people believe in them.

I know nothing about the story/game you're talking about, but I think this is an important and common misconception, and fanfiction that addressed it directly might be worthwhile.

If it were an utterly chaotic universe, like what Brunner portrays in the Traveller in Black stories, then I might agree, but what you describe sounds instead like a universe with a regular and predictable relationship between people's beliefs and events in the world.

I'd love to see stories about a rigorous thinker in such a universe working out ways to exploit its ground rules.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 11 January 2011 10:16:10PM 0 points [-]

I know nothing about the story/game you're talking about, but I think this is an important and common misconception, and fanfiction that addressed it directly might be worthwhile.

It shows up in a bunch of places in fiction. Grant Morrison's Invisibles and the Nobilis and Unknown Armies RPGs, I think. A particular bit is that something very much like the present-day real world shows up as a part of the greater reality, setting up the plausible deniability that the world might really be like the postmodern meta-reality described.

I'd love to see stories about a rigorous thinker in such a universe working out ways to exploit its ground rules.

I'm not sure exactly how much this would be a different from the regular Mage. As far as I understand, it's already all about exploiting the meta-reality thing using whatever trickery the mages come up with.

I'm not also so sure how doing the rationalist subversion would work in Mage, since its universe is a lot sophisticated about working in a nonrational way than regular naive fantasy works. You're basically up against an adult postmodernist instead of a child who believes in wizards.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 January 2011 11:25:02PM 2 points [-]

If you really want a challenge try Genius the Transgression. It's a fan-made expansion for World of Darkness. The world appears to have been optimized by a reasonably good rationalist to be as hard for an in universe character to analyze using the scientific method as possible, while still being an ordered universe.