siduri comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 7 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 28 January 2011 06:54:55PM *  6 points [-]

Chapter 69 was adorable. Thank you for that, EY, it was wonderful from beginning to end. Your Hermione is recognizably the same Hermione that I loved in canon, just reacting to a somewhat different set of circumstances: I think SPHEW is an excellent twist. And I'm starting to feel extremely fond of Daphne as well.

Very small question: I was confused by the line the Hufflepuff boy was sitting up, and groaning and rubbing his skull where he'd been dropped head-first into the floor; it was a good thing he hadn't been a Muggle, Hermione realized, or he might have snapped his neck.

What is it about wizards that makes their necks less likely to snap? Can somebody explain that reference for me?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 28 January 2011 07:26:02PM 7 points [-]

There are some implications in canon that wizards are more durable than Muggles, although canon isn't completely consistent on this matter. It may be simply due to the unconscious or reflexive use of magic. The two data points that are most relevant in canon off the top of my head are Hagrid's remark in book one that there's no way Lilly and James would have died in a car crash, and the fact that the upper limit on the lifespan of wizards is apparently much higher than that of Muggles (Dumbeldore is well over a hundred.)

Comment author: Desrtopa 29 January 2011 03:03:59AM 14 points [-]

Of course, it's possible that James and Lilly would never have died in a car crash because they have no need to drive.

Comment author: Raemon 28 January 2011 07:30:43PM 2 points [-]

I thought it was more of a joke about the movies, where people get thrown around in typical hollywood fashion in ways that should kill a human but barely seem to phase the wizards. (Mostly during Quidditch)

Comment author: Sheaman3773 28 January 2011 09:30:15PM 6 points [-]

In chapter 36, when Harry's family goes over to the Granger's for Christmas,

She got to the front door just as her daughter came clattering frantically down the stairs at a speed that didn't look safe at all, Hermione had claimed that witches were more resistant to falls but Roberta wasn't quite sure she believed that -

I'm fairly certain there are other instances as well, but I can't seem to find any more.

My vote is on reflexive use of magic, rather than a physiological difference.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 January 2011 10:08:42PM 1 point [-]

My vote is on reflexive use of magic

Okay, gotcha. I don't think that's supposed to be very reliable, though, at least not canonically.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 29 January 2011 12:49:22AM 5 points [-]

Applying Fridge Logic, I don't see how they could play a game where iron balls flew around trying to brain people without it being at least somewhat reliable.

On the other hand, Dobby's Bludger did break Harry's arm...

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 30 January 2011 06:58:20PM 0 points [-]

Yep, see Ch. 17.

Comment author: Nornagest 28 January 2011 07:30:39PM 5 points [-]

It's not made particularly clear whether this is due to physical differences or unconscious use of magic, but there are a number of suggestions in canon that wizards tend to be physically tougher than Muggles. IIRC, Rowling's version of Neville was only discovered to be a wizard when he was dropped from a height and bounced.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 January 2011 10:06:01PM 2 points [-]

IIRC, Rowling's version of Neville was only discovered to be a wizard when he was dropped from a height and bounced.

Ah, see, it never occurred to me to read that as anything other than subconscious use of magic.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 January 2011 10:56:17PM 1 point [-]

Ah, see, it never occurred to me to read that as anything other than subconscious use of magic.

That is what Rowling implied. Eliezer seems to have satirised some of the unrealistic parts of canon with respect to human physiology under trauma by making wizards explicitly more durable in MoRverse.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 29 January 2011 12:01:15PM 1 point [-]

As some other commenters have pointed out, there's some fanon out there that says wizards are protected from damage by unconscious use of magic. I think it may have started with this essay from 2002.