Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 7 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 25 January 2011 02:28:56AM 11 points [-]

Good comment. Upvoted.

I've been wary of the way Hermione was presented so far. A month ago I was involved in a feminist discussion of literature, and more than one person expressed an explicit lack of interest in stories about "white dudes being responsible for saving the world." Upon reading it I thought back to MoR. I know there are constraints on the story that Eliezer doesn't control, except for choosing to have written the story in the first place. Harry's already a white dude responsible for saving the world, and adding SuperRationalist to his resume is going to inherently blow Hermione out of the water in her own sphere of influence.

At the time of the conversation about feminist literature (or lackthereof) we were at chapter 63. Hermione had yet to do anything significant. There were enough hints that Eliezer was aware of the issues facing her, both as a character in general and as "the Girlâ„¢" in particular, but those issues had merely been mentioned, not addressed. She had attempted to regain her personhood by becoming the general, and then lost everything she gained when she kissed Harry.

I had a vague faith that Eliezer would eventually address it somehow, and hoped that she would be a stronger character in Act II. But wasn't sure how that would work out. The last two chapters certainly didn't help, without the context of 68. But 68 turned things around in a good way. I don't know how much of this Eliezer thinks of in terms of feminist issues and how much is just making sure all the characters are compelling. Either way I'm glad things are playing out this way.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 January 2011 08:53:50PM 7 points [-]

High probability this comment had something to do with the surprise creation of SPHEW.

Comment author: Raemon 28 January 2011 09:07:06PM 2 points [-]

Heh. As I noted elsewhere, whatever your exact motivations were, I thought it was pretty awesome.