Will_Newsome comments on Theists are wrong; is theism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Newsome 20 January 2011 01:59:29AM 1 point [-]

I didn't mean to talk about Jehovah specifically; I thought that using 'theism' would imply enough generality that I could get away without clarification, but I was obviously very mistaken. I added a sentence to the end of the post.

Your second paragraph seems to correctly point out a problem with my terminology. Nonetheless perhaps we could also have discussion on what I was (admittedly poorly) trying to start a discussion about, that is, the apparent contradiction between believing strong optimization processes outside the observable universe are possible and believing that such an optimization process didn't create the observable universe?

Comment author: komponisto 20 January 2011 02:17:04AM 2 points [-]

I didn't mean to talk about Jehovah specifically

Nor, for that matter, did I: Zeus, Thor, and their innumerable counterparts should be considered included in the reference.

Nonetheless perhaps we could also have discussion on what I was (admittedly poorly) trying to start a discussion about, that is, the apparent contradiction between believing strong optimization processes outside the observable universe are possible and believing that such an optimization process didn't create the observable universe?

The way to have done that, in my opinion, would have been to title the post "Simulation/creator arguments" or something similar, and to avoid any mention of theism, atheism, or religion in the body of the post.

Comment author: wedrifid 20 January 2011 02:10:40AM *  1 point [-]

I didn't mean to talk about Jehovah specifically; I thought that using 'theism' would imply enough generality that I could get away without clarification, but I was obviously very mistaken. I added a sentence to the end of the post.

It was brave to even consider using a concept within a few inferential leaps from Jehovah here. :)