Perplexed comments on Theists are wrong; is theism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Perplexed 22 January 2011 04:22:11AM 4 points [-]

I also would like to see a link to that post, if anyone recognizes it.

I'll agree that to (atheist) me, it certainly seems that one big support for religious belief is the natural human tendency toward wishful thinking. However, it doesn't do much good to provide convincing arguments against religion as atheists picture it. You need convincing arguments against religion as its practitioners see it.

Once you have your maybe-they're-believing-this-because-that-would-be-a-cool-thing-to-believe lenses on, it all seems very transparent.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Pity I can't turn that around and use it against simulationism. :)

Comment author: byrnema 22 January 2011 03:48:29PM *  1 point [-]

I found it: this is the post I meant. But it wasn't written by Eliezer, sorry. (The comment I linked to in the grandparent that was resonates with this idea for me, and I might have seen more resonance in older posts.)

You need convincing arguments against religion as its practitioners see it.

I'm confused. I just want to understand religion, and the world in general, better. Are you interested in deconversion?

Pity I can't turn that around and use it against simulationism. :)

Ha ha. Simulationism is of course a way cool idea. I think the compelling meme behind it though is that we're being tricked or fooled by something playful. When you deviate from this pattern, the idea is less culturally compelling.

In particular, the word 'simulation' doesn't convey much. If you just mean something that evolves according to rules, then our universe is apparently a simulation already anyway.

Comment author: Perplexed 22 January 2011 04:53:40PM 1 point [-]

I found it: this is the post I meant.

Thx. That is a good posting. As was the posting to which it responded

You need convincing arguments against religion as its practitioners see it.

I'm confused. I just want to understand religion, and the world in general, better. Are you interested in deconversion?

Whoops! Bad assumption on my part. Sorry. No, I am not particularly interested in turning theists into atheists either, though I am interested in rational persuasion techniques more generally.