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Comment author: Furcas 27 January 2011 03:08:26AM 1 point [-]

Sam Harris is misguided at best in the major conclusions he draws about objective morality. See this blog post by Sean Carroll, which links to his previous posts on the subject.

Have you read Less Wrong's metaethics sequence? It and The Moral Landscape reach pretty much the same conclusions, except about the true nature of terminal values, which is a major conclusion, but only one among many.

Sean Carroll, on the other hand, gets absolutely everything wrong.

Comment author: byrnema 27 January 2011 04:11:02AM 0 points [-]

except about the true nature of terminal values, which is a major conclusion

In quick approximation, what was this conclusion?

Comment author: Furcas 27 January 2011 04:55:55AM *  2 points [-]

That terminal values are like axioms, not like theorems. That is, they're the things without which you cannot actually ask the question, "Is this true?"

You can say or write the words "Is", "this", and "true" without having axioms related to that question somewhere in your mind, of course, but you can't mean anything coherent by the sentence. Someone who asks, "Why terminal value A rather than terminal value B?" and expects (or gives) an answer other than "Because of terminal value A, obviously!"* is confused.

*That's assuming that A really is a terminal value of the person's moral system. It could be an instrumental value; people have been known to hold false beliefs about their own minds.