jacob_cannell comments on Theists are wrong; is theism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jacob_cannell 28 January 2011 04:57:00AM *  0 points [-]

I'm willing to try on your taxonomy but don't quite understand it.

The term thinking certainly covers a wide variety of computations, but perhaps the most important is prediction.

Does this sound more accurate:

Cortical-forward-simulation is just a particular form of approximate simulation. Simulation in general encompasses all the most precise forms of prediction.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 January 2011 05:47:00AM 3 points [-]

Does this sound more accurate:

Cortical-forward-simulation is just a particular form of approximate simulation. Simulation in general encompasses all the most precise forms of prediction.

More accurate, but still not right. Simulation just doesn't have special privileges. Again, the general, absolute claim of "all the most" invalidates the position. You can make and even logical prove precise predictions without simulating.

Comment author: jacob_cannell 28 January 2011 06:46:29AM 0 points [-]

You can make and even logical prove precise predictions without simulating.

How? Got an example?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 28 January 2011 06:52:01AM *  2 points [-]

If I know an algorithm that outputs 1 or 0 depending on whether the input was prime or not, I can use a different prime checking algorithm without running the whole thing. So, for example, if the algorithm is naive trial division, I can predict its result very quickly using something like Agrawal's algorithm or some variant of Miller-Rabin. This example is in some ways a toy example, but it isn't obvious that one wouldn't have similar examples for more complicated phenomena.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 January 2011 06:53:21AM 1 point [-]

This example is in some ways a toy example, but it isn't obvious that one wouldn't have similar examples for more complicated phenomena.

And any example is sufficient to reject a general absolute claim.