Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Tolerate Tolerance - Less Wrong

49 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 March 2009 07:34AM

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Comment author: MBlume 21 March 2009 08:33:47AM *  29 points [-]

I'm going to make a controversial suggestion: one useful target of tolerance might be religion.

I think we pretty much all understand that the supernatural is an open and shut case. Because of this, religion is a useful example of people getting things screamingly, disastrously wrong. And so we tend to use that as a pointer to more subtle ways of being wrong, which we can learn to avoid. This is good.

However, when we speak too frequently, and with too much naked disdain, of religion, these habits begin to have unintended negative effects.

It would be useful to have resources on general rationality to which to point our theist friends, in order to raise their overall level of sanity to the point where religion can fall away on its own. This is not going to work if these resources are blasting religion right from the get-go. Our friends are going to feel attacked, quickly close their browsers, and probably not be too well-disposed towards us the next time we speak (this may not be an entirely hypothetical example).

I'm not talking about respect. That would be far too much to ask. If we were to speak of religion as though it could genuinely be true, we would be spectacular liars. Still, not bringing up the topic when it's not necessary, using another example if there happens to be one available, would, I think, significantly increase the potential audience for our writing.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 March 2009 08:46:32AM 9 points [-]

I'm going to make a controversial suggestion: one useful target of tolerance might be religion.

I'll try to tolerate your tolerance.

(I blog using any examples that come to hand, but when I canonicalize I try to remove explicit mentions of religion where possible. Bear in mind that intelligent religious people with Escher-minds will see the implications early on, though.)

Comment author: PhilGoetz 21 March 2009 04:27:32PM 3 points [-]

You canonicalize?

Where can we find your canon, and is it marked as canonical?

Comment author: MichaelGR 21 March 2009 05:14:57PM 1 point [-]

This might (partly) answer your question:

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/09/why-im-blooking.html

Comment author: PhilGoetz 22 March 2009 02:06:02AM 1 point [-]

So he means a future canon? I can't go somewhere today and find it?

(I disapprove of anyone calling some of their own non-fiction works 'canonical', but without conviction, never having thought about it before.)

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 22 March 2009 02:27:49AM 3 points [-]

The term "canonical" has a somewhat different definition in the fields of math and computer science. Eliezer is probably using it influenced by this definition, in the sense of "converting his writing into canonical form", as opposed to an ad-hoc or temporary form. In my experience, the construction "canonicalize" refers almost exclusively to this sense of the word.

See the Jargon File entry for clarification.

Comment author: MBlume 21 March 2009 09:23:10AM 3 points [-]

Bear in mind that intelligent religious people with Escher-minds will see the implications early on, though.

Sadly true.