brianm comments on Tolerate Tolerance - Less Wrong

49 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 March 2009 07:34AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 21 March 2009 09:10:46AM 9 points [-]

I think you point up the problem with your own suggestion - we have to have examples of rationality failure to discuss, and if we choose an example on which we agree less (eg something to do with AGW) then we will end up discussing the example instead of what it is intended to illustrate. We keep coming back to religion not just because practically every failure of rationality there is has a religious example, but because it's something we agree on.

Comment author: brianm 21 March 2009 12:07:48PM 5 points [-]

I think there are other examples with just as much agreement on their wrongness, many of which have a much lower degree of investment even for their believers. Astrology for instance has many believers, but they tend to be fairly weak beliefs, and don't produce such a defensive reaction when criticized. Lots of other superstitions also exist, so sadly I don't think we'll run out of examples any time soon.

Comment author: ciphergoth 21 March 2009 01:31:40PM 8 points [-]

But because people aren't so invested in it, they mostly won't work so hard to rationalise it; mostly people who are really trying to be rational will simply drop it, and you're left with a fairly flabby opposition. Whereas lots of smart people who really wanted to be clear-thinking have fought to hang onto religion, and built huge castles of error to defend it.