lukstafi comments on Counterfactual Calculation and Observational Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lukstafi 01 February 2011 01:09:25AM 0 points [-]

In my opinion the original post (barring the later comment by the author) does not imply that Q is the same in the real world and in the counterfactual world. Am I wrong here?

Then, if Omega is a trustworthy all-powerful device, it would not construct a counterfactual that is straight-out impossible just to play a trick on me. Therefore I conclude that the counterfactual amounts to running an identical scanner another time and getting a different result. But now I no longer think that it is an independent copy of the scanner -- actually it is completely dependent (it is determined to return a different answer), so I no longer think that the conclusion about the coins is fifty-fifty, but that we shouldn't update.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 01 February 2011 01:34:39AM 2 points [-]

In my opinion the original post (barring the later comment by the author) does not imply that Q is the same in the real world and in the counterfactual world. Am I wrong here?

I have been assuming that Q is the same complicated formula in both worlds.

Comment author: lukstafi 01 February 2011 03:42:29AM 1 point [-]

I have been assuming that Q is the same complicated formula in both worlds.

Of course it is the same formula. And it is the same calculator as well.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 February 2011 02:29:41PM 0 points [-]

I have been assuming that Q is the same complicated formula in both worlds.

This is correct. Clarified in the post.