shokwave comments on Counterfactual Calculation and Observational Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 01 February 2011 06:11:08AM *  0 points [-]

Imagine this scenario happens 10000 times, with different formulae.

Given our prior, 5000 of the times the actual answer is even, and 5000 times the answer is odd.

In 4950 of the 5000 Q-is-even cases, the calculator says <correct answer>. And in the other 50 cases of Q-is-even, the calculator says <incorrect answer>. Then, in 4950 of the Q-is-odd cases, the calculator says <correct answer> and in 50 cases it says <incorrect answer>. Note that we still have 9900 cases of <correct answer> and 100 cases of <incorrect answer>.

Omega presents you with a counterfactual world that might be one of the 50 cases of Q-is-even, <incorrect-answer> or one of the 4950 cases of Q-is-odd, <correct answer>. So you're equally likely (5000:5000) to be in either scenario (Q-is-odd, Q-is-even) for actually writing down the right answer (as opposed to writing down the answer the calculator gave you).

Comment author: MC_Escherichia 01 February 2011 09:46:06AM *  0 points [-]

I'm still not following. Either the answer is even in every possible world, or it is odd in every possible world. It can't be legitimate to consider worlds where it is even and worlds where it is odd, as if they both actually existed.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 February 2011 03:01:03PM *  2 points [-]

Either the answer is even in every possible world, or it is odd in every possible world. It can't be legitimate to consider worlds where it is even and worlds where it is odd, as if they both actually existed.

If you don't know which is the case, considering such possibly impossible possible worlds is a standard tool. When you're making a decision, all possible decisions except the actual one are actually impossible, but you still have to consider those possibilities, and infer their morally relevant high-level properties, in the course of coming to a decision. See, for example, Controlling Constant Programs.

Comment author: shokwave 01 February 2011 09:54:21AM 1 point [-]

Either the answer is even in every possible world, or it is odd in every possible world.

Which is the case? What do you do if you're uncertain about which is the case?

Comment author: MC_Escherichia 01 February 2011 10:33:01AM *  0 points [-]

Which is the case?

Your initial read off your calculator tells you with 99% certainty.

Now Omega comes in and asks you to consider the opposite case. It matters how Omega decided what to say to you. If Omega was always going to contradict your calculator, then what Omega says offers no new information. But if Omega essentially had its own calculator, and was always going to tell you the result even if it didn't contradict yours, then the probabilities become 50%.

Comment author: Manfred 01 February 2011 12:45:36PM 0 points [-]

True, but I'd like to jump in and say that you can still make a probability estimate with limited information - that's the whole point of having probabilities, after all. If you had unlimited information it wouldn't be much of a probability.